The state board of education passed a new policy Thursday denying illegal immigrants admission to Alabama’s two-year colleges despite one board member’s calls to delay it for more discussion and four of the nine members being absent. The policy, which takes effect next spring, was passed on a 4-0 vote, with Ethel Hall of Fairfield abstaining. Four board members — David Byers of Birmingham, Ella Bell of Montgomery, Sandra Ray of Tuscaloosa and Gov. Bob Riley — were not at the meeting, which was held in Pell City. Hall said she was hesitant to vote because there was only a brief discussion when the policy was first presented to the board at a work session two weeks ago.
“I don’t think we’ve done the kind of research we need to do in order to approve the policy,” she said before describing how her brushes with racial discrimination — such as being denied admission to the University of Alabama despite extensive qualifications — added to her reluctance. “It’s very, very, dear to me because I have been one of those who have been excluded and I was certainly capable and an American-born citizen,” Hall said. “So I cannot support this policy until I am given additional information.”
Starting next spring, applicants to the community college system will be required to show an Alabama driver’s license, state ID card, an unexpired U.S. passport, or an unexpired U.S. permanent resident card. Two secondary forms of documentation, including a photo ID card and a Certificate of Naturalization, also will be accepted. All international applicants must provide a visa and an official translated copy of their high school/college transcript along with information such as exam scores and proof of adequate financial support.
Shay Farley, attorney and spokeswoman for the Alabama Appleseed Center for Law and Justice, addressed the board during a public comment period, questioning the policy’s necessity and cautioning that there could be unintended consequences. “We are bound by federal law to provide education to any student, K-12, regardless of legal status,” she said. “A lot of children are brought by their parents — they did not choose to come here. If we deny them a two-year college education, where will they go for their education?”
Two-year Chancellor Bradley Byrne said he was willing to work with opponents as the system develops guidelines for implementing the policy. “I don’t think we can address all of their concerns, but I think we can address some of them,” he said. Byrne said there was no way to know for sure how many students would be affected or how much money the policy would save, but he did not think there were a lot of illegal immigrants enrolling at two-year colleges based on student population.Admissions personnel at each college will check the documents, he said. “For 90 percent or more of our students, all that’s going to mean is they give them their driver’s license,” he said.
Schools in a few other states have passed a similar policy but it’s not a big movement, said Raul Gonzalez, director of legislative affairs for the National Council of La Raza advocacy group. Still, Alabama’s actions are troubling, he said. “They need to make sure in their zeal to deny public higher education to undocumented immigrants that they may deny those services to U.S. citizens who don’t have documentation,” he said.
Gonzalez acknowledged that the documents the system would soon require are the same needed in order to obtain legal employment, but said officials should also be realistic. “That’s a good point, but that’s another reason why we need to look at immigration reform,” he said. “The bottom line is people will find jobs. How many people do you know who are working under the table? It’s not about immigration, it’s about poor people who need jobs.”
September 28, 2008 at 3:12 pm
It is violation of law that illegal aliens are allowed into colleges at all. I would argue that it is in violation of the ‘aiding and abetting’ statute in the 1986 IRCA (Immigration Reform and Control Act).
Even if illegal aliens were to pay out of state tuition, it would not cover the entire cost of their education because of capital costs, often conveniently left out (or purposely lessened) in the total costs calculations. Therefore, taxpayer subsidization of illegal aliens would occur. Also, why would any legislator allow an illegal alien to take a seat in college from a deserving American citizen or legal immigrant?
Seats in colleges are a limited and highly coveted resource, why the hell would you put an illegal alien into one?
Also, why should we be in the business of educating and training a group of people who are illegally here and cannot legally be employed?
September 28, 2008 at 3:12 pm
The fact is that things like college admittance and in-state tuition are just stepping stones to more things in the future. Just as giving a “free” primary and secondary education to all illegal alien kids was a stepping stone to them now demanding college admittance and in-state tuition, even at the detriment of Americans and legal residents who will lose their seat in the class in order to placate breakers of our laws.
The reality is that illegal aliens should receive no benefits, including admittance to college. Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada.
September 28, 2008 at 3:13 pm
The statements you hear from advocates for illegal aliens in favor of them having access to our colleges generally flow around their claim that better educated illegals will be more productive and will assimilate better into our society. This is not only fuzzy thinking, it is faulty logic. It’s very precept is that the illegal gets additional benefits to what they have already enjoyed by illegally remaining and operating here and gives a segment of them what they want – unfettered access to our higher education system (in addition to our primary education system that they have already utilized). This, of course, will be costly to the American taxpayer whether the illegal pays out of state tuition or not. It also deprives a deserving citizen or legal immigrant of the seat that the illegal would occupy. Another marketing campaign is that a child should not be penalized because of the ‘sins’ of their parents. Allowing access to higher education, however, allows the child to benefit from the fact their parents broke the law. Where does the rule of law fit into all of this? Actually, no where. The very act of allowing placement of an illegal alien into our colleges tears at the social fabric of our culture by favoritism to a group people who are out of compliance with our laws. These very same people would then be free to operate lawlessly living and working alongside of citizens and legal immigrants who have been required to abide by our laws. The dichotomy here is not only egregious, it is outrageous. It is anarchy.
Seats in colleges are a limited and highly coveted resource so why should we put an illegal alien into one?
Why should we be in the business of further educating and training a group of people who are illegally here and cannot legally be employed?
September 28, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Illegal aliens and their advocates like to state that the college age illegals (young adults) should not be punished because it was their parents who broke the law. But, allowing these illegal alien young adults to attend college and remain in the U.S. rewards them for their parents breaking the law. Another claim you often hear is that prohibiting illegal aliens from attending community college is “inhumane”. This argument presumes that obtaining a taxpayer-subsidized college degree is a basic human right. Basic human rights, however, are universal and unchanging and the need or desire for a college degree is neither. This is not to say that obtaining a college education is not important. But is it more important than the rule of law, which illegal immigration undermines, not to mention the will of the people?
September 28, 2008 at 3:14 pm
The rule of law is one prime determining factor that differentiates first world and third world countries. It mandates that illegal behavior be punished and never rewarded. Granting benefits, such as entry into our colleges to those in our country illegally offends this principle. Worse, it perverts the law by punishing those who have or are in the process of entering legally and discriminates against citizens who would be negatively affected. Even if I agreed (which I don’t) that illegals should be allowed to attend our colleges, who would be willing to state unequivocally that not one single tax dollar would be used and not one single citizen or LEGAL immigrant would be ever denied admittance because of space availability?
September 28, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Illegal immigrants are in our country illegally. That means their very presence here is unauthorized. That indisputable fact trumps all other arguments.
Illegal immigrants and the services and benefits they receive in this country constitute one of the most contentious issues of our time. Not only should they not be receiving any benefits and services they should not be holding jobs and gathering the means to remain here.
Opening the doors to higher education for illegal immigrants when millions of citizens lack access to college programs is unthinkable.
September 29, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Whilst one doesn’t expect much enlightened example from Alabama I really don’t see picking on kids and education as the right place to start when it comes to sorting out illegal immigration.
And a little note to Zeezil if IWI will excuse me… you say –
“Illegal immigrants are in our country illegally. That means their very presence here is unauthorized. That indisputable fact trumps all other arguments.”
No, as I’ve pointed out to you on other blogs, humanity should come first – if America, and Americans, sacrifice your humanity there is no America left worth protecting.
Equally, your happy talking about the law when it supports your arguments but overlook it when it’s clear and obvious -
““We are bound by federal law to provide education to any student, K-12, regardless of legal status,”
What bit of that law don’t you understand? Better minds than ours formed America through democratic means – America, to a great extent, is a culmination of the laws that made it and that’s why it’s respected throughout the world.
October 1, 2008 at 4:19 am
If illegals go to college and they graduate then what happens.
If they are illegal they can’t legally work in the U.S. so will they go
back to Mexico?
The Mexican govt should offer these people scholarships in Mexico.
The lack of intelligent educated people in Mexico is probably the
main cause of their dismal economy.
The average education level in mexico is only sixth grade.
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January 20, 2010 at 7:43 am
To deny anyone the right to pursue enlightenment and to deny them the opportunities which come with being an informed human being is an attrocity and speaks of those values once held in Nazi Germany! God help you!
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August 19, 2010 at 7:56 am
If they want to attend college, it’s easy… go home.
May 16, 2011 at 5:00 pm
$22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps,WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML A A ;
October 2, 2011 at 1:43 am
We cannot afford illegals and their babies. All you liberals that are making Nazi comparisons thing again; you pay for their food, housing and babies and keep taking from the legal citizens that make this country.